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> > > I have since found out that some Catholics are taught that they > > > are Cath9olics and that non-Catholics are Christians. It > > > still feels weird to me. > Sounds like bullshit to me, not "weird". But that's post-Vatican II > and ecumenicism is much more in vogue since than it was then. I > would really like to know if there are any Catholic groups who practice > this particular doctrine today. My friend Wendy was raised thinking that Catholics and Christians were two different things not one the subset of the other. She's, um 26ish? But her parents weren't active in the Catholic church, just her mother's family, so she might have been getting outdated stuff from her Grandma. I was reading about Gypsies once... (yes, this really is about the same topic, bear with me) ... and according to the author, (who had run off and joined the Gypsies as a boy, and subsequently went back and forth between them and his parents) the way the kept their traditional way of life intact was by maintaining a strong sense of US and THEM. We are who we are, we do everything the right way, everyone else is an outsider, they don't do things our way, so obviously they are stupid. "Look at how they idiotically believe the fortunes we tell, and all sorts of other lies. Look what a fun game it is to make up more and more lies and see how far astray we can lead them." Contempt for outsiders was a very integral part of their philosphy. So I assume that the "Catholics are not Christians" thingy evolved out of a percieved need (by SOME Catholics,) to maintain a distinct focus of USness, a defense against the percieved erosion of the distinctly Catholic way of life, and as such I wouldn't be at all surprised to know it still exsists somewhere. But most of the Catholics I've met seemed to know that they were Christians. Michelle Bottorff Lady Lavender -- Family webpage: http://home.sprintmail.com/~mbottorff/index.html Lady Lavender's Filksongs: http://www.freemars.org/lavender/index.html 25r:2a:1p